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Post by Ben on May 5, 2008 21:22:52 GMT 8
haha chill man. strictly no swearing around the boards. let's discuss this with a level head. anyway yea i mean like eddy said, the trend is now science pointing to the existence of a divine being, in contrast to what was believed earlier. people always said that science will prove that faith is useless but not anymore cos these modern scientists and physicists are doing their research which support the view of any religion that believes there is the existence of God. so that makes for good news for all the religious, cos science is on our side.
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Post by Timothy on May 6, 2008 10:13:00 GMT 8
well to me i dun use science to prove everything. its nonsense.
okay i take in the point that yeah, everything had a beginning. there was someone that created us.
but u see dont u tink that once when men tap into this kind of knowlegde they would want to play God. saying that whoa i can do it if i find that key point. that crack in creation, which i dont tink there is.
scientists have alrdy come up with cloning which goes against God's ways. playing God in that sense. dont u tink they would stop at jus like, oh okay, there is a greater being thats it full stop. NO! they will try to crack everything down and be 'god' themselves.
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Post by eddinelious on May 6, 2008 14:51:35 GMT 8
errmm timmy i think u are getting this the wrong way.
he is using science to prove the existence of God. and not using it to disprove it.
what u are talking about is...being obsessed with science...which may lead to whatever u've mentioned.
i think to clear this timmy, u came from a wrong angle...marcus chill a little and understand he wasnt seeing ur perspective.
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Post by Timothy on May 6, 2008 15:40:27 GMT 8
i noe wad i am saying and i am staying by it. i wasnt even disproving anything that he said.
i was jus saying that yeah, can use science to prove things. but at the extent of playing god. thats it. nothing more nothing less.
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Post by t1000 on May 7, 2008 0:19:08 GMT 8
well to me i dun use science to prove everything. its nonsense. LOL what an absurd statement, so how exactly are you going to prove that animal so and so falls under what category?(mammal, reptile etc). Can you at least list down what you won't use science to prove? but u see dont u tink that once when men tap into this kind of knowlegde they would want to play God. saying that whoa i can do it if i find that key point. that crack in creation, which i dont tink there is. Who? What? Where? Huh? Which scientists? How many scientists? What actions? scientists have alrdy come up with cloning which goes against God's ways. playing God in that sense. dont u tink they would stop at jus like, oh okay, there is a greater being thats it full stop. NO! they will try to crack everything down and be 'god' themselves. Right, cloning an animal = playing god, i guess being a scientists of any kind means your playing god. And why would any scientist want to play god? What would they achieve out of even trying? Do you think scientists are that stupid?
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Post by Timothy on May 7, 2008 9:58:25 GMT 8
yes they are stupid okay? i dun like looking TOO deep. power, dun tell me u do not want power?
i dint say i dint like them to prove anything, i said EVERYTHING. doesnt that fall on like mammals and wadesoever? yeah there are good scientist and bad ones.
good ones do research that will help other people EXAMPLE a cure for cancer etc..
bad ones do research that will only benefit them and certain people EXAMPLE cloing.
u see there are good and bad ones, i like the good ones, they help me in my general knowledge, but the bad ones are jus out there to con u.
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Post by t1000 on May 7, 2008 14:25:07 GMT 8
yes they are stupid okay? i dun like looking TOO deep. power, dun tell me u do not want power? Power? What power? Care to substantiate and elborate exactly what kind of power? Bad scientists? Why don't you list them down and their actions? I will ask you again and will continue to do so, what do you not like to use science to prove? And please cloning? Name one single human in the entire 10 thousand years of history that has been cloned via science exactly? Again i don't see whats wrong with using science to point out to a supernatural being.
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Post by eddinelious on May 7, 2008 18:00:46 GMT 8
by power marcus he meant the ability to do things that others cant. hence achieving that power.
and err timmy u just shot urself in the leg because previously u entirely shut science off and u made it very vague and now u said u are against them playin god thats why i said u came from a different angle cause in the first place marcus wasnt even in the topic of playing god or not. he used science to prove th eexistence of God. not the other way round.
marcus u have to not dwell so deep sometimes into asking for so much evidence...i think this in a way reflect how little faith u have and how much more materialistic evidence u need...especially when it comes to the cloning part...timmy said some scientist wanna play god by cloning...and we all know that hasnt been achieved...buttt they are still working on it. and it is not good. even our faith go against it. and for bad scientist that's one very good example. there are many more...u and i will never meet unless we realized that someone is actually purposefully dropping virus into the world...
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Post by t1000 on May 7, 2008 20:06:41 GMT 8
Oh right ok.
Anyways i don't dwell and ask for materialistic evidence when we talk about god's existence, please don't get the wrong impression as that question was in reference to something else.
I think scientists who create and make drugs count as bad too.
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Post by Timothy on May 7, 2008 21:52:38 GMT 8
marcus u have to not dwell so deep sometimes into asking for so much evidence...i think this in a way reflect how little faith u have and how much more materialistic evidence u need exactly wad i meant, thanks ed. guess i did misunderstood some things. and FYI cloning has been cracked? they cloned like so many things alrdy yeah? human, sheeps and even a tomato. they are jus perfecting it.
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Post by eddinelious on May 7, 2008 22:38:57 GMT 8
ok marcus. good to hear that. but when i said that i referred to u needing materialistic evidence for even the cloning thang which we know is just plain right bad...
sometimes when someone is obsessed with wanting evidence in every department it may hurt the faith...but on the other hand asking for evidence is healthy. its a real chicken and egg thang...just know when u need and when u dont...like when someone is giving a teaching...there is always evidence from the reference of the bible to state the real word. u dont really need it when something supernatural has granted ur way and make life better for u.
humans? are u sreious? link please...
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Post by Timothy on May 8, 2008 12:26:35 GMT 8
i dint read that online. it was in the papers a few years back...
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Post by t1000 on May 8, 2008 19:22:21 GMT 8
It was an attempt to clone humans timmy, but scientists stated that at this time it is not possible considering the complex design of DNA.
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Post by Timothy on May 8, 2008 22:59:12 GMT 8
okay but they will find out how sooner or later. if i'm not wrong they did clone a lady, but it died and all. cant remember...
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Post by t1000 on May 9, 2008 9:28:38 GMT 8
I think they tried to clone her but faild in the process, cloning a human is far too complicated as opposed to cloning an animal.
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