Post by t1000 on Apr 23, 2008 21:59:45 GMT 8
Sup guys, tyler here and this testimony is god hinting to me that he really does exist. Rather than experiencing the supernatural he hinted to me his existence elsewhere : speculation and analogies.
One thing i would like to point out, other than experiencing god to convince yourself that he exists, please try to speculate and come up with theories, it only makes gods existence even more real.
Now many people especially the non believers would remain skeptical about the existence of god and come up with assertions such as "Life happened by chance" which derives from everything happening during the big bang which they believe happened by chance.
But what many people do not get is that all creation, especially that of our solar system and the earth has been set in a way that it would be able to sustain life.
There are even hints of gods existence scientifically. See below.
Discoveries in astronomy have shown beyond a reasonable doubt that the universe did, in fact, have a beginning. There was a single moment of creation.
Take a look at the earth set in its current location from the sun for example, it is set at a correct distance such that it is able to sustain life, any closer and we would end up getting incinerated by the suns heat(mercury and venus) and any further we would freeze and temperatures would drop dramatically(jupiter onwards).
A good question to ask yourself, is this really possible by chance even if it was a billion to one?
A very interesting quote which i had lifted from a website to back my point of view :
Biochemists and mathematicians have calculated the odds against life arising from non-life naturally via unintelligent processes. The odds are astronomical. In fact, scientists aren't even sure if life could have evolved naturally via unintelligent processes. If life did not arise by chance, how did it arise?
Or take the earths size for example, it is the perfect size to support an atmosphere with enough pressure with the right mixture of gases to sustain and support life, any smaller and the atmosphere would decrease and thus we end up like mercury which is a barren world.
Our moon is the perfect size and distance from the Earth for its gravitational pull. The moon creates important ocean tides and movement so ocean waters do not stagnate, and yet our massive oceans are restrained from spilling over across the continents.
And now a very important feature needed to sustain life: water.
It has been proven and stated by scientists that the water on earth did not originate from earth but rather the comets containing traces of water bombarding our planet billions of years ago for countless centuries.
Again how exactly does this happen by chance? If so then why hasn't other planets(mars and countless extra solar planets outside our solar system) shared the same fate as to get constantly bombarded with comets containing water?
In the eyes of a skeptic and someone speculative and logical, they would indeed speculate and believe that there is something supernatural of a higher level behind all this, something which does not show itself and very essential to the creation of life.
Another interesting quote.
The universe is ordered by natural laws. Where did these laws come from and what purpose do they serve?
Once again this does NOT happen by chance, laws such as the pull of gravity have a purpose.
From the website : Advances in molecular biology have revealed vast amounts of information encoded in each and every living cell, and molecular biologists have discovered thousands upon thousands of exquisitely designed machines at the molecular level. Information requires intelligence and design requires a designer.
Basically, the more complicated the design(the human structure, atoms, dna, cells basically everything in the universe), the more intelligent the designer and in this case god has an unmatched superiority and intelligence.
Another interesting quote which is related to faith Does God exist? We know God exists because he pursues us. He is constantly initiating and seeking for us to come to him
Which is why our teachers in church and leaders always tell us to come with an OPEN heart, with the initiative to SEEK god.
And my final analogy. Pay close attention.
Take a watch and remove all its gear and mechanisms and place it into a tin, the watch represents life and everything in the universe and the tin represents the universe itself, shake the can as many times as you can, do you ever think even if you shaked it for a thousand years, all the gears and parts would stick together correctly by chance such that the watch would work?
The odds are astronomical that such an event would happen by chance, this obviously hints out that SOMEONE assembled that watch(life and everything in the universe) which in this case GOD was that someone.
But i'll be honest, i DO believe in god. Experiencing his and the holy spirits presence wasn't enough to satisfy me but enough to convince me, i had to come up with theories , speculate and carefully Analise everything taking place in the universe hence the long post i just made, i had to satisfy my curiosity and i had to tell everyone.
The whole reason i came up with this was simply due to the fact that i'm tired of hearing the same thing over and over again from myself and other peoples testimonies which is experiencing god(which honestly gets old) hence i took a different approach this time which is to actually come up with theories, i'm not saying that experiencing god is crap and not true as i myself said it was enough to convince me, i merely stated that it gets kinda boring hearing the same thing over again from the same people hence the different approach i took.
So for all of you non believers(only), think about what i said and use some common sense, as for the other excess members, i request that you reflect upon this and in my personal opinion only i would recommend that you take a different approach to experiencing gods existence other than simply experiencing it and actually think about the way life was created and how the universe and eath was set in motion that we see what we see today.
Now to conclude and sum this up, there was a voice in my head and most likely its gods which told me to share this bit of information that i came up with and to share it with the rest of the group.
One thing i would like to point out, other than experiencing god to convince yourself that he exists, please try to speculate and come up with theories, it only makes gods existence even more real.
Now many people especially the non believers would remain skeptical about the existence of god and come up with assertions such as "Life happened by chance" which derives from everything happening during the big bang which they believe happened by chance.
But what many people do not get is that all creation, especially that of our solar system and the earth has been set in a way that it would be able to sustain life.
There are even hints of gods existence scientifically. See below.
Discoveries in astronomy have shown beyond a reasonable doubt that the universe did, in fact, have a beginning. There was a single moment of creation.
Take a look at the earth set in its current location from the sun for example, it is set at a correct distance such that it is able to sustain life, any closer and we would end up getting incinerated by the suns heat(mercury and venus) and any further we would freeze and temperatures would drop dramatically(jupiter onwards).
A good question to ask yourself, is this really possible by chance even if it was a billion to one?
A very interesting quote which i had lifted from a website to back my point of view :
Biochemists and mathematicians have calculated the odds against life arising from non-life naturally via unintelligent processes. The odds are astronomical. In fact, scientists aren't even sure if life could have evolved naturally via unintelligent processes. If life did not arise by chance, how did it arise?
Or take the earths size for example, it is the perfect size to support an atmosphere with enough pressure with the right mixture of gases to sustain and support life, any smaller and the atmosphere would decrease and thus we end up like mercury which is a barren world.
Our moon is the perfect size and distance from the Earth for its gravitational pull. The moon creates important ocean tides and movement so ocean waters do not stagnate, and yet our massive oceans are restrained from spilling over across the continents.
And now a very important feature needed to sustain life: water.
It has been proven and stated by scientists that the water on earth did not originate from earth but rather the comets containing traces of water bombarding our planet billions of years ago for countless centuries.
Again how exactly does this happen by chance? If so then why hasn't other planets(mars and countless extra solar planets outside our solar system) shared the same fate as to get constantly bombarded with comets containing water?
In the eyes of a skeptic and someone speculative and logical, they would indeed speculate and believe that there is something supernatural of a higher level behind all this, something which does not show itself and very essential to the creation of life.
Another interesting quote.
The universe is ordered by natural laws. Where did these laws come from and what purpose do they serve?
Once again this does NOT happen by chance, laws such as the pull of gravity have a purpose.
From the website : Advances in molecular biology have revealed vast amounts of information encoded in each and every living cell, and molecular biologists have discovered thousands upon thousands of exquisitely designed machines at the molecular level. Information requires intelligence and design requires a designer.
Basically, the more complicated the design(the human structure, atoms, dna, cells basically everything in the universe), the more intelligent the designer and in this case god has an unmatched superiority and intelligence.
Another interesting quote which is related to faith Does God exist? We know God exists because he pursues us. He is constantly initiating and seeking for us to come to him
Which is why our teachers in church and leaders always tell us to come with an OPEN heart, with the initiative to SEEK god.
And my final analogy. Pay close attention.
Take a watch and remove all its gear and mechanisms and place it into a tin, the watch represents life and everything in the universe and the tin represents the universe itself, shake the can as many times as you can, do you ever think even if you shaked it for a thousand years, all the gears and parts would stick together correctly by chance such that the watch would work?
The odds are astronomical that such an event would happen by chance, this obviously hints out that SOMEONE assembled that watch(life and everything in the universe) which in this case GOD was that someone.
But i'll be honest, i DO believe in god. Experiencing his and the holy spirits presence wasn't enough to satisfy me but enough to convince me, i had to come up with theories , speculate and carefully Analise everything taking place in the universe hence the long post i just made, i had to satisfy my curiosity and i had to tell everyone.
The whole reason i came up with this was simply due to the fact that i'm tired of hearing the same thing over and over again from myself and other peoples testimonies which is experiencing god(which honestly gets old) hence i took a different approach this time which is to actually come up with theories, i'm not saying that experiencing god is crap and not true as i myself said it was enough to convince me, i merely stated that it gets kinda boring hearing the same thing over again from the same people hence the different approach i took.
So for all of you non believers(only), think about what i said and use some common sense, as for the other excess members, i request that you reflect upon this and in my personal opinion only i would recommend that you take a different approach to experiencing gods existence other than simply experiencing it and actually think about the way life was created and how the universe and eath was set in motion that we see what we see today.
Now to conclude and sum this up, there was a voice in my head and most likely its gods which told me to share this bit of information that i came up with and to share it with the rest of the group.